Betfair’s Biden Blunder May Cost Company Half A BILLION

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Last night, Betfair/Paddypower made one of the costliest legal blunders in Corporate history by settling early in their presidential betting market for Biden. The blunder adds yet another layer of intrigue to the Election battle that just keeps on giving – and legal action has already begun in Australia.

Betfair’s holding company (Flutter Entertainment – created after Betfair & Paddy Power merged in 2019) have exposed themselves to a future liability of an estimated 500 million euros should Donald Trump be re-elected. Even if he isn’t elected, their mistake will cost them tens of millions in refunded bets. The company’s revenue in 2019 was 2.14 Billion.

Ongoing Trump & citizen legal challenges allege widespread voter fraud in key swing state cities, where video evidence and thousands of sworn affidavits in testimony has been revealed.

If you only watch Trump-deranged mainstream media, you would be forgiven for being slightly confused.

From the UK to the USA, and all the way to Australia (Sky News Australia excepted), the mainstream media has told the world that the US election is over, and that Trump is a usurping despot.

But before you laugh, scoff, and switch off, it is worth noting that Presidential electors from Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona and other states just yesterday voted for Donald Trump at their State houses – despite the projected electors and notional popular vote declaring for Biden.

Crucially, this symbol of an officially contested election also has legal precedent – in 1960 two sets of electors were also sent in the Nixon/Kennedy election certification process.

This move by Republicans was more than simply defiant symbolism from ‘the deplorables’ – the move was an essential part of a legal strategy by the Trump team to leave all options open for certification on January 6th in congress. If you are an investor in Betfair/Flutter shares, pay attention.

The Midnight run

Last night (14/15 December) at around midnight GMT, Betfair exchange settled their ‘To Be the Next President’ betting market online with just under two billion euros in matched bets outstanding. They declared Biden the winner and Trump the loser.

On Betfair exchange Punters bet against each other rather than the house – with one side making bets and the other side taking bets by giving odds. Betfair take a small commission from whomever wins each matched bet – roughly 5% of every winning bet.

We estimate that three quarters of the almost Two Billion euros that were outstanding in wagers were bets on Biden to win, based on our previous report on the presidential election betting market a few weeks ago

Betfair settled the market last night with no warning to customers, having communicated to customers that they had essentially changed the market rules and would keep it open pending legal challenges and uncertainty.

Remember, by settling the market, the people who took bets on Biden lost and had to pay the people who bet on Biden. Remember this as it is important. So, what exactly is the issue?

Betfair’s half a billion legal blunder

On every gambling market in every online bookmaker, there are market-rules. This goes for traditional bookmakers as well as betting exchanges like Betfair. These rules set out the terms and conditions of the market, and they generally provide for all eventualities. Here are Betfair’s rules for their ‘To Be the Next President’ Market – the paragraph in bold is key.

Betfair ‘Next President’ market rules

One reason to object to Betfair settling bets while legal challenges are pending is the fact that ‘The Next President’ is the name of the market, and Biden is not yet ‘The Next President’.

However, when this gets to court (and it will go to court within class action suits if Trump wins), the legal decision will be based on the official communications that Betfair made to their customers on the nature and rules of the market, and on their actions since the election.

There are two absolutely key points in their rules above that have opened them up to breach of contract lawsuits and more. The bolded paragraph about Projected electors, and the reference to the 12th Amendment of the US constitution in the same paragraph.

Projected Electors as a basis for market settlement

The rules state, “This market will be settled according to the candidate that has the most projected Electoral College votes won at the 2020 Presidential Election”.

The problem here for Betfair is that from November 4th, news networks like Fox & CNN had projected Biden having well over the required projected elector number of 270 votes. But they didn’t close the market then – they kept taking bets and therefore making commissions on the eventual winners.

Betfair exchange kept the market open until the morning of the 15th of December, allowing literally a billion euros more in bets to be placed after November 4, while the projected electors situation essentially remained unchanged.

This clearly violated their own rules as you can see above. Indeed, there are multiple saved communiques from customers of Betfair enquiring whether the market would remain open based on legal challenges, and Betfair confirmed that would be the case.

Customers were told that ‘Betfair was waiting for certainty, pending legal challenges’ or words to that effect. There’s more in the image resource below. This implied that the original rules had certainly changed, and it was ok to keep betting while legal challenges were ongoing.

Let’s pause for a second. You may say that the projected elector votes were not official yet, so Betfair were right to leave the market open. And you would be right that they were indeed not official (and arguably they are still not official).

However, on December 4th, California certified its electors thereby officially securing enough projected electors – 279 – for Biden to theoretically be elected and certified on January 6th. You can read more about that here. Important to note: there is no mention of ‘official’ in Betfair’s rules, but this is a defence they may rely on in court.

Betfair kept the market running and taking bets worth hundreds of millions of euros for 11 more days after that ‘official’ 4th of December day that took Biden over 270 electoral votes. So their justification for closing the market yesterday (because projected electors were achieved by Biden) means they should have closed the market on the 4th of November, or the 4th of December. That justification is therefore problematic for Betfair from a legal perspective.

On the 27th of November Betfair issued an official communication on its website:

 “We have not settled certain markets on the Betfair Exchange relating to the U.S. election because of the uncertainty about the outcome of the results caused by ongoing recounts and potential legal challenges”, and “We currently anticipate that we will wait until the outcome of the Electoral College votes on 14 December 2020 is known before we settle the markets. This, of course, assumes that there is no conclusive outcome before this date”.

Betfair’s Nov 27th uncertainty of the results due to ongoing legal challenges

Had Betfair’s traders looked beyond the mainstream media, they would have seen that legally there are dozens of ongoing legal Challenges.

As an example, on December 14th the Supreme Court made a judgement in favour of the Trump campaign to say that Wisconsin erred in allowing over 250,000 voters to self-certify that they were unable to travel to vote. All the Trump team needs to do now is do the legwork with those voters to overturn the certification of Wisconsin for Biden.

There are ongoing recounts in Georgia and signature matching orders, which will almost undoubtedly turn over the state to Trump.

What is most important here is that the day Betfair chose to settle this market was literally the worst day they could have done so from a legal standpoint, because it was the first day since election day that the projected electors were thrown into legally recognised dispute, by the aforementioned states in the third paragraph above officially & legally sending electors for Trump.

This is a financial bombshell for the company and it will impact current shareholders of Flutter/Betfair big if Trump wins – those hundreds of millions in bets will ordered to be paid out by judges. The legal case is clear cut – they called Trump bets losers based on projected electors suddenly being known, when that criteria was met weeks before. It could be argued that Betfair knew they would never pay out on those new bets because even with the ongoing legal disputes, everyone on both sides of the debate knew that the electors day of December 14th would see no change to the projected electors Biden already had (since November 4th). This could be deemed fraud.

There were hundreds of millions bet by political punters at odds in the range of 10-37/1 for Trump in the days Betfair kept the market open, Betfair are now liable for those bets from their own company funds if Trump wins, because they have paid out the people who took those bets with Trump-backer’s money.

If Trump loses, the company will still be ordered to refund all bets made after December 4th and possibly even November 4th, because they misled customers on the nature and rationale of settling based on projected electors.  On November 5th they said the following on their website here, where much of the evidence sits:

Nov 5th statement referring to legal challenges

The company also gave no warning to punters so they could trade out of their positions, and there is massive evidence they deliberately led customers on to say the market would be kept open pending legal challenges, even up to the evening of December the 15th.

The 12th Constitutional Amendment reference

As you see in the bolded paragraph above on Betfair’s market rules, Betfair state that in the event no candidate receives the required projected votes, the market will be settled based on the procedures of the 12th Amendment for certifying the election. The 12th amendment which provides the procedure for electing the President and Vice President. The only date throughout the entire constitution relating to the election is January 20th. And Congress generally meets on the 6th to count the electoral votes. The date of the 14th of December (when Betfair erroneously settled the market) is a Federal statute only and has been shown by the Amistad project to be essentially meaningless in the election outcome.

By mentioning the constitution, Betfair have made another blunder, because it doesn’t mention the date of December 8th or 14th, yet the mention suggests that they were aware of the constitutional implications of the 12th amendment – more potential misleading of customers to think the market would stay open to at least the 6th.

By keeping the market open beyond the date of California’s certification of their electors (December 4th, and arguably November 4th per the above) Betfair lost the defence of settling the market yesterday based on projected elector numbers.

Their only fallback then is the 12th amendment, which procedurally only refers to inauguration day January 20th. Betfair should have signalled closure of the market to customers in the past few days, and sought legal advice on the matter from competent lawyers. They would have likely advised freezing the market until the outcome was known.

Why did Betfair leave the market open AFTER Projected electors were known?

This is speculation, but the company were no doubt looking at 50 to 100 million in commissions, which was no doubt tempting. This could also be political correctness gone mad – liberal media has waged an all-out assault on the truth in recent weeks – refusing to cover the ongoing legal cases and significant legal gains being made by the Trump team.  We have been covering them in almost daily election updates here. The mainstream media have failed to cover the clear instances of voter fraud, and covered only the court defeats for Trump and none of his victories.

Betfair made an announcement on their website late last night to say that they had consulted their lawyers on this issue prior to settlement. They may be counting on punters not following up on the actual law. It could be that the 50Million plus in commissions that Betfair earned from this move fed a lot of executive Christmas bonuses and revenue milestone bonuses for the year. It certainly doesn’t look like they looked at the legal facts clearly.

Sources have told us about well-known cost cutting programs across Paddy Power/Betfair (their IT staff are hugely under resourced and their market trading team has been outsourced to faulty automated trading algorithms in most cases). It is therefore reasonable to assume that they may not have actually sought legal advice at all.

And if they did, penny pinching means it may have been cut-price. Not so much Saul Goodman as Lionel Hutz, Attorney at law. No, money down!

Wider corporate governance implications

Beyond the obvious impact to people who had bet hundreds of millions on Trump to ‘Be the Next President’ in good faith, because they were doing their due diligence and market research, there are wider corporate governance implications.

The maintenance by Betfair of an open market could be deemed as fraudulent and insider trading from a gambling perspective (insiders at the company could have been taking a share of the billion euro in bets on Trump knowing that the market would be settled without warning on the 14th). There could also be insider trading and corporate governance implications from a financial markets perspective.

One possibility is the shorting of Flutter entertainment shares. Shorting essentially involves an investor borrowing a stock, selling the stock they have borrowed on the open market, and then buying the stock back to return it to the lender on the agreed return due date. They make their money when they can buy the stock at a lower value at a point in the future when they have to give it back. Borrow ten shares for six months while the price is $100, then sell them for $1000. In 6 months when you have to give the shares back, if the price is $50 and you buy ten shares on the market, it has only cost you $500. You have then made $500.

Would a half a billion euro hit impact the stock market price for Flutter Entertainment? We think so. If you made any kind of a gamble on the stock price to go down and knew this potential con was taking place, you’re guilty of securities fraud.

Legal action has started

Within hours of the market closure last night Facebook groups had sprung up planning class action lawsuits across Australia against Betfair/Paddy Power. We invite all such groups to post links to their pages below in the comments.

Many of these people backed Trump at odds of up to 36/1, and they did so based on Betfair’s communications regarding the market. You can find one such group in Australia here – expect many more class action suits to be generated in their global territories as awareness grows.

Trump has had massive gains in the election battle this week, this video is a useful primer for those still on crash diet of mainstream media news. Trump also has the 2018 executive order that allows him to declare foreign interference in the US presidential election. Skip to 9:15 in the video above for details on that. It is the authors opinion that the election report will have detailed evidence-based conclusions of foreign interference. The executive order is very real.

Betfair gambled and lost, bigly

According to one legal mind we spoke to, the legal case is crystal clear in relation to the US electors situation and Betfair’s contradictory market advice, Presidential electors situation, and Betfair’s subsequent actions. Betfair broke their own rules and sent conflicting messages to customers, took their money, then reneged on those rules.

They are liable for at least of hundreds of millions in Trump-bet refunds. If Trump wins out based on state legislatures (politicians, not the courts) ruling that there was widespread voter fraud in five key cities (which is looking more and more likely by the day), they will owe much more.

With legal cost awards added to the owing bet payment tallies they now owe (having settled the market as a winner for the other side), Betfair/Flutter are going to regret not freezing the market and getting a second legal opinion. And those holding Flutter Entertainment stock may want to investigate what management were up to. Better Call Saul.

We will update this story every time there is a development. There is an image resource below with further evidence that we found when compiling this story, for those looking for more evidence and reference points. Comments are below. Please share this story with any gamblers you know, we’re not on social media.


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Billy
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Billy
15 December 2020 9:35 pm

Anyone from the UK want to join a betfair whatsapps group. I am serious about taking them to court – https://chat.whatsapp.com/DWZSOeyPziD3I7zNau2AeZ

Mark
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Mark
15 December 2020 9:42 pm
Reply to  Billy

Folks don’t forget ok. This was fraud. Lots of people will come in here trying to derail what you’re doing.

The staff at Betfair very aware of what they did. Personal bonuses on the live as well as personal trading.

Christmas bonuses could actually be why they pulled it. 100 million in commissions nearly.

They will want to cover their arses. Be very aware this was a very big con, so you will be challenged.

david
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david
16 December 2020 4:28 am
Reply to  Billy

When I first made a Trump bet 2 weeks prior to the election 2/1 was insane to me :). I have been betting all throughout the month and had a couple @ 34/1 and lower. I even had another 32/1 just before the plummet. Now them shutting it down 2 hours after that punt is a joke. How many other punters in that last few hours?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpRKHrNXEAAysSI?format=jpg&name=large

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Kane
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Kane
16 December 2020 2:37 pm
Reply to  Billy

Not valid link

Arsebiscuits
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Arsebiscuits
18 December 2020 3:39 pm
Reply to  Billy

I’m in Ireland and I want to sue too!

Mark
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Mark
18 December 2020 9:41 pm
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

aI’m in Ireland too and absolutely want to join a class action suit here. Any suggestions how we proceed

Simon
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Simon
21 December 2020 12:23 pm
Reply to  Billy

Billy, what’s the updated link? Thanks

Paul
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Paul
16 December 2020 1:42 pm

Excellent Article.

I trade Betfair quite often, this is not a “bet” on who I “want” to be next president (as some idiot above called “You Idiots” seems to think it is) – this was a TRADE. In other words, you can convert the odds to “implied probability”. I did this first time round in 2016 when it was clear the mass mainstream media TOTALLY undersold Trump’s appeal to the mass electorate. I made £500 then, just some minor trading (laying Hillary, so to speak :D) through election night. Even as Trump was winning the biggest states, she was still down at an insane 1.25 and similar. I laid and traded out when the media talking heads finally started acknowledging (and crying) that Trump actually MIGHT just WIN! I wasn’t sure he would, I JUST saw the trading angle of the odds NOT reflecting the true probabilities involved. I basically ran against the herd, and boy what a big herd!

So this time around, I had similar feelings and similar ideas. I stood to win around 10k if Trump wins, and most of my bets/trades were opened long after Fox called it for Biden. Most trades were in fact in the past week to ten days, long after they should have closed the market IF they were really going by “media decisions”, which of course is not a Constitutional process, and they referred to the Constitution.

I happen to still think Trump has a 10-20% chance of winning via the House of Reps and other means. This is an epic fraud. Now then….

How do I join a group, and which group do I join? I CAN NOT use Facebook. I can be contacted at this email address – [email protected] for anyone who can point me in the right direction.

Finally, and this is important, I have significant experience in running GLOs (group litigation orders, the UK name for “class action lawsuit”). I ran a very large one which took the best part of a decade to reach a settlement. I found the best legal team, and I was their go to for communication with the 1000 odd victims. I ran all the admin and updates, and ultimately organised a committee to sit in negotiations and agree settlements for the victims. It was hugely stressful, a lot of work, but one hell of a satisfying thing to do. Especially when everyone said we had “no chance”, the media, most law firms even said that. But we won. Compared to that case which was highly nuanced and involved US and UK law, needing both UK and US legal counsel etc, this one looks like a DODDLE to me. If I can help, even just in advising how to set up the committee or the action group team etc etc, please get in touch.

Please also let me know how to stick my hat in the ring, I am still in utter disbelief at how Betfair have behaved here.

P.S. IF this goes ahead, don’t worry about which groups you are all in, they will all eventually come together under one roof 🙂

Let’s re-open the market on these absolute crooks. (And I have years of experience of Betfair and have seen totally dishonest behaviour from their staff on many occasions in the past).

jack
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jack
15 December 2020 10:19 pm

brilliant article very well encapsulated

carla pearce
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carla pearce
16 December 2020 7:15 am

Its also needs to be mentioned that after they closed the Us election market bets which they claim Trump lost, they put up instantly bet of Trumps specials to bet on – how long Trump will be in office??? Right there they shot themselves in the foot. They admit Trump did not loose. Wow stupid beyond words.

craig mcleod
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craig mcleod
15 December 2020 10:15 pm

Wow…I have 10k+ in bets on Trump
Let us pray

Tee
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Tee
16 December 2020 8:43 am

BETFAIR RULES 03/11/20

This market will be settled on the presidential nominee who is projected to be President based on the public vote. If there is any material change to the established role of President or any ambiguity as to who is voted in to occupy the position, then Betfair reserves the right to void this market at its absolute discretion. IF ANY DOUBT EXISTS AS TO THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION, THEN THIS MARKET WILL BE SETTLED ON THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE ELECTION RESULTS FROM THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISION.

T B
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T B
17 December 2020 12:31 am
Reply to  Tee

Do you have a link?

Tee
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Tee
18 December 2020 12:45 pm
Reply to  T B

CORRECTION it is market rules for Betfair’s “Winning Party” market, which was just below next president

Steve
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Steve
15 December 2020 11:31 pm

Very good post…..hope you’re right…..I will be looking at class action in UK

Fintan Dunne
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Fintan Dunne
16 December 2020 12:51 am

Great article Michael. I’m a pro journo and did a video on this (below). Are you available for video/audio interview? Contact via form on my site http://FintanDunne.com

UK Gambling giant, Betfair just paid out to Biden backers on it’s presidential race betting market. But back in 2016 Betfair’s brand ‘Paddy Power’ lost €4 Million when they also prematurely paid out on a Clinton victory against Trump.

Fintan Dunne reports VIDEOhttps://youtu.be/k2H21xxjvrM

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T B
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T B
17 December 2020 12:09 am

Michael, thank you so much for this article. It was well written and well researched. I have placed a lot of bets on Trump since they said they would wait for the legal battles to play out. And then like a lightning from the sky, they closed the markets, at the same time as Trump won a legal case and Republicans sent their own electors. So I thought they “temporarily closed” the market because they should re-assess, and then open after a while. Thank you so much for this article. I have not felt so well the last days, since it is not pleasant to be robbed, and I didn´t know how to proceed (I still don´t). I sent an email to customer service and the response was that “their traders closed the market according to their rules” and they sent a copy of the “first rules”, not their supplementary rules about legal battles and so forth. I am from Sweden, if there is someone like me from Sweden, please post something.

Once more, thank you Michael for your work.

Paul
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Paul
17 December 2020 3:16 pm

A quick follow up…

As I mentioned before, I have some experience of organising a large legal action like this. A few points I wanted to make for anyone reading this article, which I suspect will become a mini “hub” for the many who were duped by the sudden closure of the market:

  1. Please KEEP ALL DOCUMENTATION you have. Every single email, screenshot, every trace of communication with Betfair or any marketing you received. This could be key to any future success in litigation.
  2. I have a law firm I eventually found who were up for a job as big as this. It took me over a YEAR of pounding pavements and looking as far afield as Saudi Arabia for a firm up for the challenge. However that was a much more challenging proposal (legally) so I doubt it would be as hard to find a company up for this challenge, but we also must keep in mind that the company needs to be capable of succeeding. I have not mentioned this issue to the contacts I still have at the large firm our group worked with (for some 8 odd years), but I could enquire with them to see if they fancy it. It is very much up their street, financial trading law suits and the like.
  3. We need a central, and I mean ONE central hub for all activity. I am not keen on the idea (as I know the work involved in helping with organising something like this) but I COULD if pushed put myself into it, set up a website and a forum (that’s how I approached it last time) where people can begin by joining without any commitment, just to register interest freely (forums are handy for that and only need an email address and not even a real name). That way we could find out a good idea of the numbers involved. Any law firm will need to know THAT before going much further as it will tell them the number of victims and therefore the size of the “business” for their firm. A case like this would have to go before Directors of any firm and to get into that room it needs to be big. I am sure this is big, but we need proof.
  4. Having a starburst of different groups is naturally how these things always begin, but I can say from (bitter) experience that the single most important thing at the start is to organise under one roof as QUICKLY as possible. We really must do that. I am not volunteering, and if someone else has a large group already then it would make sense to go that route and bring people across to it. But if we don’t have that, I could get something set up to begin lodging basic numbers, which would then give us something to propose formally to a decent firm capable of teaching Betfair a lesson I think they have needed to learn for many years, they are NOT “too big to lose”. I have heard staff there say that in the past, as an organisation their arrogance is incredible, they regularly shaft punters but not in ways which are easy to prove, and of course it’s never on such a scale as this to enable a group litigation.
  5. I think this is a VERY winnable case for a decent firm. Just going by the basics we know at this point. Ultimately, the market is for “NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA”. If Trump is the man being (re) inaugurated come January 20th, he is clearly THE next President of the USA, and at that point I think this case would be an “easy” win compared to most large financial cases. The overwhelming effect of there never having been a “President Biden” would surely help, if not guarantee, a win for us. Damages would be rather sweet too, if applicable.

My email for this matter is – [email protected]

We must organise, or at least be prepared to organise come January. Sadly these days everyone uses Facebook for stuff like this and it’s best avoided, if not just for the fact that Facebook is the most immoral and devious company on earth, and one I will not take part in, ever. A website would take a day to set up (which I could do) and all you need is an email address to join/register. No Zuckerberg control, power, monitoring, etc.
Cheers

Eamonn
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Eamonn
17 December 2020 4:01 pm
Reply to  Paul

i would say everyone do Ibas for the moment, they are entitled to their money back at least per the article. Start the dispute with ibas, then get a solicitor when he wins

Paul
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Paul
17 December 2020 4:19 pm
Reply to  Eamonn

Re IBAS – Do you mean the Betting Adjudicating service or International Banking IBAS?

I don’t consider this “betting”. A court may, but I would argue it. I have used the Betfair Exchange (EXCHANGE) for many years. I TRADE the markets. I don’t ever “bet” on an event, even though a trade is opened and closed with two “bets”.

It’s a bit like I might trade gold, but I don’t actually “buy” any gold or sell any, I may trade the market as a psuedo buyer or psuedo seller, but I am not a real gold buyer or seller, and I am not a real “punter” on the election. I merely traded the prices which I do on many events from time to time.

That said, it would be a good move to involve any organisation at this point who will listen! Just pointing out that Betfair is a large financial institution, and they run an Exchange as well as normal betting markets. The exchange (in my view) puts this case firmly in the category of “financial markets” or similar, and could help invoke much more serious legislation/regulations etc. I am not a lawyer, just my tuppence based on past experience of watching lawyers lawyering on such matters. 🙂

KJB3092
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KJB3092
17 December 2020 5:59 pm
Reply to  Paul

You must remember to change the app setting in your phone’s setting regarding Storage, they have the ability to wipe your photos, I did most of my printing this afternoon, as I think I may have already been a victim of screenshot theft.

Over, but not out.

Frank
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Frank
28 March 2021 1:46 pm
Reply to  Paul

Hi, Paul i tried to send you a mail, and it got bloced. Im trying to help my team.

jamie mcbain
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jamie mcbain
10 April 2021 6:54 pm
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I have a much simpler path to our winnings guys 100% plus damages repatriation from negligence

Debbie
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Debbie
15 December 2020 10:13 pm

Great article thanks there’s hope for us yet

Nathan Timoney
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Nathan Timoney
16 December 2020 12:19 am

https://www.facebook.com/groups/997575554065231/

Any one seeking further action in the UK or Ireland…

Jason White
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Jason White
16 December 2020 1:32 pm

Thanks for the information gents very much appreciated.

Have added my name to the Australian law suit.

Stand to lose $201,850

The PoD
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The PoD
22 December 2020 3:47 am
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Do you have a link for the Aussie lawsuit please Jason?

M D
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M D
15 December 2020 9:55 pm

the people who took bets on Biden lost and had to pay the people who bet on Biden”

Should that be “placed bets on Trump”?

How do you calculate 500M? If the market traded was €100, why do the winners not get €95 and Betfair €5?

Great article, I’m going looking for the donate button.

Kane
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Kane
16 December 2020 2:36 pm

Hi I having rather damning emails from Betfair as I was concerned for the outcomes we are now facing with betfair.com.au The are now trying to back track and basically rewrite there terms of service in an email correspondence today after I made a poignant query as to my respective position on the matter. What’s my next step “email I created specifically for this process” my email is [email protected]

The PoD
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The PoD
17 December 2020 12:04 am

Superb article and thank you for posting it!

KJB3092
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KJB3092
17 December 2020 5:12 pm

The decision by B.F to close the market early is a breach of 2015 consumer laws in the UK, this is the law as quoted for unfair terms:

It is contrary to the requirements of good faith – meaning it must be designed, negotiated and entered into with the consumer in a fair and open way.

…..I’m absolutely shocked at the uncertainty that B.F put on this market for their customers, but not surprised.

I potentially stand to lose near 50k(only if DJT eventually wins) so I’m definitely one to add to the list of claimants if there is a class action suit.

For those without spare cash for this pursuit, whilst looking for the last two days for a page like this (no S.M for me) I stumbled across an article that mentioned you can get legal advice from you vehicle insurance if your have legal cover, I stand to be corrected if wrong.

Befair, not my betting exchange anymore.

Over but not out

Paul
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Paul
17 December 2020 8:50 pm
Reply to  KJB3092

Well said, very well said! There is a plethora of potential claims/arguments. As usual, it “should” end up in an out of court confidential settlement where we all grin from ear to ear watching big shot BF Execs bending over a boardroom table for us, swearing us to secrecy as they hand over the principal sum lost plus damages. The way there doesn’t matter one jot, so EVERY bullet should be fired, such is the nature and way of these things. They can choose which one to swallow, I couldn’t care less. But in front of a Judge, I think they would lose in more than 5 different ways, without even alleging “bad faith” or criminal stuff like fraud. Unlawful/Unfair trading practices plus financial rules on platforms like this, that should take good care of the swines.

KJB3092
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KJB3092
17 December 2020 11:53 pm
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From the IBAS UK website, what would be interesting is did “the operator” Betfair follow their advice as an operator, how arrogant would it be just taking advise from probably their owners, Flutter Entertainment PLC american in house lawyer’s.

….

DO I HAVE A CLAIM?Use our Claims Wizard to see whether IBAS may be able to help resolve your dispute.

For ConsumersWhether this is your first dispute about a gambling transaction, or you have used our service before, our General Consumer Advice section offers some helpful suggestions for you to consider before completing an adjudication form.

FOR OPERATORSWe appreciate that mistakes happen and that some circumstances cannot be foreseen, but our dispute avoidance advice may help to reduce the number of customer complaints and adjudication forms received.

….

Over but not out

James
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James
18 December 2020 3:12 pm

Betfair reps told me twice settlement would be after inauguration.. The rules were clear as mud hence me asking twice https://twitter.com/jamesan57753475/status/1339951122912583681?s=20

Robbie
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Robbie
17 December 2020 5:57 am

https://t.me/joinchat/OSVUjR0J_VioPMdyH4Rgvg

New Telegram group as the old one was deleted. People getting together to presure betting sites to payout if Trump wins

mark akinson
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mark akinson
17 December 2020 3:59 pm
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i had presumed the original was booting people. Any idea why it was deleted?

Robbie
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Robbie
19 December 2020 12:08 am
Reply to  mark akinson

1 Admin was a Biden Shill. Started kicking everyone out. It’s been reopened now.

T B
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T B
17 December 2020 3:42 pm

I also had a small bet at Coolbet. I asked them for THE rules concerning this event. They didn’t provide any specific rules, but they Said they would correct THE market IF it turns otherwise.

jim forbes
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jim forbes
19 December 2020 12:14 pm

I bet £550 on TRUMP being the ”next president elected” on 14th december 2020…….on Betfair{Betfoul!} at odds of 33/1 for a potential payout of £18k +.within a few hours Betfair settled the market.I ckecked my position at around 10pm……my ”cashout” value was £770 as Trump’s odds had tightened to 20/1…….44 minutes later the market was closed for a total loss.Clearly there was a major rush to bet on Trump as the news flow was very +ve.I.MO. Betfair panicked as their lack of understanding of this market became clear and forced the closure to protect themselves from their errant,idiotic market making activities.Is there a way to join a ”class action” lawsuit against them?I would appreciate any information as i am eager to pursue my rightful claim against BETFOUL!……JIM FORBES

T B
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T B
19 December 2020 4:08 pm
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You could notice that when the NYSE was open, the odds on Trump went up about 5 dollars each day, then they started to fall, next day same story, that was trading opportunity. Another thing that happened I think was that the “tell a story” money had had enough and they panicked. What I mean by “tell a story” money is the money that someone put in to back Biden and lay Trump to show the world what a big favorite Biden was, as they (probably) did in 2016. It is a mess, customer service is rude and they say stupid things like “our rules clearly states” and when you ask questions they just say “our traders will not re-settle”. And as you say, they probably had positions for their own house and when the odds for Trump went from 36 to 20-22 they panicked. Now they clearly states, “we robbed you and we will never give your money or your winnings back”. That means that they intentionally harms us and we have the right to defend ourselves.

jim forbes
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jim forbes
20 December 2020 12:06 pm
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I think the pricing was politically driven and totally ignored the fact that ”creepy” JOE has been designated as a ”national security risk” and is no longer allowed to get security briefings normally given to an incoming President.This is because he and his ”crackhead/fuckwit” of a son have been caught taking bribes from China and elsewhere.He cannot EVER be President.Betfair/foul seems to have gone silent i cannot contact them by phone/email/messaging…..i am still searching for a way to join with others to fight this…..jim

T B
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T B
21 December 2020 9:53 pm
Reply to  jim forbes

Are you a member of the UK Facebook group? My tactic is to let customer support know they done wrong and ask legitimate questions. The bet was for Next president. As the article above shows we don´t know what the outcome is. We don´t know if we should demand winnings or demand stakes back because of fraud. I do the only thing i can do. Raise my complaint that they closed the market and violating their own words about certainty and legal battles etc

jim forbes
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jim forbes
25 December 2020 3:18 pm
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I’ ve just noticed that the crooks at Betfair have taken over £15 million on their”when will trump leave the white house” market…….he is priced at around 30/1 to leave in 2025!!! This is an outrage……they clearly acknowledge that Trump still has a ‘live’chance……go check it for yourselves…..

Desi
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Desi
15 December 2020 10:36 pm

Flutter entertainment stock price will tank like solar winds.

T B
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T B
18 December 2020 2:47 am

Has anyone seen an official statement from Betfair that they Will not re-settle. IF that is THE case then it is FRAUD. According to Newsweek, for what it is worth, Betfair has Said “Will not be re-settled based in any subsequent events”

Has anyone seen a public statement that this is THE case and Betfair admits they are fraudsters?

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-voters-angry-bookmakers-paying-out-bidens-election-win-1555135

kosuk
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kosuk
28 December 2020 9:55 pm
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Yes, and i have screenshots to prove it. I went through a range of questions which put them on the spot and they just doubled trippled down etc.

They have fkd up big time.

You cannot use EVs cast as proof of next pres. especially when on the same day (14/12/2020) Trump put fourth his own electors to maintain legal challenges. That act confirms legal challenges which BF said they would see out.

Jakub
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Jakub
15 December 2020 10:08 pm

Any group in Ireland? Can someone from Ireland sign for group from UK?

Simon Smith
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Simon Smith
15 December 2020 10:46 pm
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Yes, my friend. The group is UK/EU
https://www.facebook.com/groups/997575554065231

craig mcleod
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craig mcleod
15 December 2020 10:17 pm

Wow

John paterson
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John paterson
16 December 2020 12:39 am

Australia Facebook group for lawsuit against betfair and sports bet

https://www.facebook.com/groups/400378864446489/?ref=share

Degen
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Degen
16 December 2020 9:29 am

Great article! Join my one 900 members

https://t.me/bet365trump

Last edited 3 years ago by Degen
Frank
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Frank
16 December 2020 10:35 am

Anyone like to join? You are welcome: https://www.facebook.com/groups/301097964611977/?ref=share

Last edited 3 years ago by Frank
Paul
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Paul
16 December 2020 1:41 pm
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sorry posted in wrong place

Last edited 3 years ago by Paul
Kevin
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Kevin
16 December 2020 7:00 pm

Hi

I like others, staked bets on the betfair exchange but I also placed bets on the election through betfair sportsbook, and PaddyPower, skybet and betfred. Is it only Betfair that I have a claim with here? The reason that I ask is that PaddyPower and Skybet as well as Betfair are all owned by Flutter. To me they all called the result based on the AP (associated press) calling the projected electoral college votes win for Biden which did not take into account the dual electors or the ongoing legal challenges that the AP have consistantly failed to report.

I do hope that someone will be able to help me with my matter or at least point me in the right direction. Have emailed Skybet and Betfred tonight and I am waiting on a response but Betfair and Paddy Power have just shut down their customer service complaints procedure completely. This I can only put down to the influx of discruntled punter’s.

Any advice as to what to do next would be greatly appreciated as their must be many others in my position.

Kindest Regards

Kevin

Dar
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Dar
16 December 2020 9:18 pm
Reply to  Kevin

Well Lads,
id a nice few bets laid on trump on betfair, and paddy power. both websites have shutdown help/support, no email, phone number, nothing.
is it a case that theres a time limit after the bet is settled for someone to dispute and make a claim, and they are stonewalling until that expires?
would be interested to know how to join a class action from ireland, and im not on facebook or anything
its all a bit suspect isnt it

kosuk
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kosuk
28 December 2020 10:01 pm
Reply to  Dar

Yes within there regs but only if they have acted reasonably, which they havnt. Ignoring/not knowing the Trump electors sent on 14/12/2020, and settling, is a gargantuan fk up they will regret. The Trump electors confirm/maintained his legal challenges which Betfair said they would see through.

mark akinson
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mark akinson
17 December 2020 3:58 pm
Reply to  Kevin

This is your starting point. And advice would be to get a lawyer, and a no win no fee lawyer if you cant afford a lawyer. Start the dispute now, then go nuclear when Trump wins https://www.ibas-uk.com/

kosuk
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kosuk
28 December 2020 10:06 pm
Reply to  Kevin

Wait, you have the right argument. BF settling on Biden when Trump put forward his own electors which confirmed/maintained his legal challenges when BF repeatedly confirmed they would wait and see through those challenges is dynamite.

I agree that they got there info from msm only, but, thats there problem. Thats what gave us our edge which is everything in gambling.

jim forbes
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jim forbes
25 December 2020 3:23 pm

I’ ve just noticed that the crooks at Betfair have taken over £15 million on their”when will trump leave the white house” market…….he is priced at around 30/1 to leave in 2025!!! This is an outrage……they clearly acknowledge that Trump still has a ‘live’chance……go check it for yourselves…..

jim forbes
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jim forbes
4 January 2021 1:57 pm

It’s a massive day on wednesday.6th…there is at least a 25% chance that Trump get’s a second term by the close of play.Special forces are deployed all around the USA …..many traitors to the constitution could be rounded up….and the ”animated corpse” that is Joe Biden would be one of them!

patrick kearney
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patrick kearney
17 December 2020 10:50 pm

hi people was us president result the offical result weighed in horse racing [result] if they take wrong course void race if vote is fraud ???

Insider Amigo
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Insider Amigo
19 December 2020 6:43 pm

One reason to object to Betfair settling bets while legal challenges are pending is the fact that ‘The Next President’ is the name of the market, and Biden is not yet ‘The Next President.
Friends, here is the answer from betfair, they filed my claims.
Channel address: https://t.me/insider_amigo

Insider Amigo
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Insider Amigo
19 December 2020 7:41 pm
Steve
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Steve
24 December 2020 6:17 am

Hi I’m in Australia I would also like to know what to do. I was misled also y betfair Backing money on trump.

Insider Amigo
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Insider Amigo
24 December 2020 4:58 pm

Hello everyone! I am investigating Betfair, you can subscribe to my tweeter or telegram .. all information will be collected on my channel … Betfair is associated with globalists and it was planned .. this is a scam …. https://twitter.com/InsiderAmigo
telegram https://t.me/insider_amigo

Anthony Muddle
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Anthony Muddle
27 January 2021 4:28 am

What will the implications be if its proven that the live inaguration of bidden was prerecorded . And Cgi

Second …. If fraud is proven on a scale that proves biden lost.
Third… If proven the man that ran for president is not and never was biden..
Can anyone give honest answers to these questions.
Because when all the dust settles everything Ive stated will be proven true.
Thanks Anthony.

Andy H
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Andy H
14 February 2021 12:38 pm

For anyone still reading or revisiting this article, please be aware that there are both Facebook and Telegram sites for people who want to challenge their lost bets with Betfair through IBAS or legal action.

The groups are mainly people from UK and Aus but all are welcome.

The groups are organised by Fintan Dunne and are:-

Facebook : BETFAIR TRUMP PUNTERS LEGAL ACTION

Telegram : https://t.me/BetfairTrumpLegalAction

Michael – if you see this post and would like to do a follow up article on what is happening then please let me know at:-

[email protected]

jamie mcbain
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jamie mcbain
10 April 2021 6:47 pm

Hey guys we are taking legal action against betting agencies, based on solely to receive our entire winnings snd damages repatriation from negligence.

under licensing agreements obligations betting agencies have primary duty to eliminate fraud interference cheating, they provided a report by third party from democracy Docket.

this report we can prove 100% was a lie and fabricated.

And wide spread fraud occurred

contact myself at
[email protected]

or telegram

Bukuro
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Bukuro
21 December 2020 8:54 am

More delusional trump cult memebrs…. suck on it you lost

You Idiots
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You Idiots
15 December 2020 11:50 pm

Was a pleasure to take money from you idiots, it’s already transfered to my account

Last edited 3 years ago by You Idiots
Back at you
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Back at you
16 December 2020 6:08 pm
Reply to  You Idiots

In the event that a market has been settled incorrectly, Betfair reserves the right to demand that you return your ill-begotten winnings to the company.

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Sportsbook.Rules.And.Regulations/

Read: Part B – General Rules > Results and Market Settlement > Section 2.2 ‘Resettlements’

  • Betfair reserves the right to reverse the settlement of a market if a market is settled in error (for example, a human or technical error).
  • If Betfair resettles a market, this may lead to amendments being made to a customer’s balance to reflect changes in market settlement.

In case it wasn’t obvious, that means that if these conditions are met, your Betfair account balance will (provided that you’ve withdrawn everything) become negative to a sum equal to your “winnings”, and that you will be indebted to Betfair until the money has been returned either by your own volition or by Betfair persuing legal action against you in court.

Back at you
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Back at you
16 December 2020 6:52 pm
Reply to  Back at you

Additionally, from the same link read: Section 1: Betting – General Conditions > Conditions relating to betting > Subsection 10 ‘Bet Settlement’

“Subject to these General Conditions and any applicable Specific Conditions we will settle Markets in accordance with our Exchange Rules and Regulations, Sportsbook Rules and Regulations. We reserve the right to reverse or amend settlement in the event of a Market being settled incorrectly. This may lead to amendments being made to your account to reflect changes in Market settlement and if there are insufficient funds in your account we may demand that you put funds into your account to address the outstanding balance. We will notify you if your account goes into a negative balance (i.e. that you owe Betfair money) and, if following the notification, you either:

  • do not put funds in your account within the reasonable time specified in our notice to you, or
  • you fail to make the relevant payments into your account in accordance with any repayment plan as agreed between you and Betfair; or
  • – you indicate to Betfair that you have no intention of putting funds in your account to address the outstanding balance,

then we reserve the right to suspend your account and/or take appropriate legal action to seek to recover the debt, in full, from you. Any amount of winnings or losses relating to your bets on a Market will be rounded to the nearest two decimal places. If the amount ends in 0.5 it will be rounded up.”

OzCryptoBull
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OzCryptoBull
17 December 2020 12:29 am
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Hahahaha
Lefties are going to go mental when Trump wins and Biden Backers even more so. LOL

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